much more than it's being waged by the obama administration. >> that's the reality, but the -- but it was used as a political weapon. >> it was. and this -- i guess i don't want to linger too much on doom and gloom, but we have reduced -- there has been a remarkable reduction in carbon emissions in the u.s. i mean, we're down to 1990 levels. right? you know, it going down is going in the right direction, right? >> there are two things happening that might go in the right direction. one which the administration deserves a lot of credit on is energy conservation. higher cafe standards. >> fuel efficiency. >> fuel efficiency and the other which hopefully, which actually is part of this whole budget discussion although people aren't really focusing on it, do we renew the tax credits for wind and other alternative energy sources? the republicans don't want to renew that at all. they want to renew the tax credits for coal and oil as if the companies aren't profitable enough already. that's the first step even before the keystone. >> absolutely. i think a real untold story agreed that natura